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Dan Lucas 
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:51
Member (2014)
Japanese to English
| Tides and currents | Jul 24, 2023 |
Carlos A R de Souza wrote:
There's only so much we can do, but does that mean we shouldn't try to organize at all?
I don't think "there's only so much we can do". I think trying to organise in this environment is pointless and naive, for all the reasons already enumerated. If I were convinced that there were no future in a particular industry I wouldn't waste my time on an initiative I considered futile. I'd be using my energy and talents to switch careers.
Anne Brackenborough wrote:
We're all at different stages in a process that will go different ways at different speeds depending on our language combination and and specialities. It makes no sense to argue as if it's all down to our translating skills and no more.
Good point, but I think there are multiple albeit similar processes, rather than one monolithic process. There are different areas of specialisation, which in turn influences the need (or otherwise) for confidentiality, and also the perceived scarcity of translators, and of course the language pair itself carries with it a significant cultural load. Some clients are more risk-averse and slower to adopt new technology than others.
However, by the same token I would caution against assuming everybody is going to end up at the same level, at least in the medium term. I suspect there will be significant local maxima and minima in terms of the degree of MT use.
Rather than seeing the future end point as the uniform bottom of an artificial swimming pool, I speculate that it will resemble a rocky sea bed with significant variations in topography - boulders large and small, corals, patches of sand, hollows, kelp beds, clefts, undersea mounts, even spires of rock patrolled by shoals of fish, and of course tides and currents moving through it all. There may well be opportunities in such an environment.
As for the long term - pfft. We're all dead anyway. And that's about the only verifiable statement in this thread so far.
Regards,
Dan
| | | | Anne Brackenborough (X)
Germany
Local time: 18:51
German to English
| Not in the same boat = multiple processes | Jul 25, 2023 |
Good point, but I think there are multiple albeit similar processes, rather than one monolithic process.
I appreciate your summary of the point I made
| | | | finnword1
United States
Local time: 12:51
English to Finnish
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| DeepL is better than Google | Jul 25, 2023 |
Google Translator thinks that "legal briefs" means judicial underpants in Finnish.
| | | | David GAY
Local time: 18:51
English to French
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Dan Lucas wrote:
Carlos A R de Souza wrote:
There's only so much we can do, but does that mean we shouldn't try to organize at all?
I don't think "there's only so much we can do". I think trying to organise in this environment is pointless and naive, for all the reasons already enumerated. If I were convinced that there were no future in a particular industry I wouldn't waste my time on an initiative I considered futile. I'd be using my energy and talents to switch careers.
Anne Brackenborough wrote:
We're all at different stages in a process that will go different ways at different speeds depending on our language combination and and specialities. It makes no sense to argue as if it's all down to our translating skills and no more.
Good point, but I think there are multiple albeit similar processes, rather than one monolithic process. There are different areas of specialisation, which in turn influences the need (or otherwise) for confidentiality, and also the perceived scarcity of translators, and of course the language pair itself carries with it a significant cultural load. Some clients are more risk-averse and slower to adopt new technology than others.
However, by the same token I would caution against assuming everybody is going to end up at the same level, at least in the medium term. I suspect there will be significant local maxima and minima in terms of the degree of MT use.
Rather than seeing the future end point as the uniform bottom of an artificial swimming pool, I speculate that it will resemble a rocky sea bed with significant variations in topography - boulders large and small, corals, patches of sand, hollows, kelp beds, clefts, undersea mounts, even spires of rock patrolled by shoals of fish, and of course tides and currents moving through it all. There may well be opportunities in such an environment.
As for the long term - pfft. We're all dead anyway. And that's about the only verifiable statement in this thread so far.
Regards,
Dan
So, apparently, we are not in the same boat and some have already capsized and lie on the sea bed.
[Edited at 2023-07-25 19:56 GMT]
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Dan Lucas
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:51
Member (2014)
Japanese to English
| That's about right | Jul 26, 2023 |
David GAY wrote:
So, apparently, we are not in the same boat and some have already capsized and lie on the sea bed.
Good morning David, I have been expecting you and your merciless refusal to use selective quotes. But yes, some have already capsized, some are trawling with nets in the shallows, some are fishing with long lines at the surface, some are diving for pearls...
Regards,
Dan
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Translation, like other industries, is slowly being "de-skilled" - first CAT software, then MT, then google translate, then DeepL and next AI.
Of course, translators will still be required in highly-specialised areas and this does not preclude translators in niche languages who have a stable of well-paying direct customers, but the industry will be increasingly unattractive for young translators and translation rates will continue to stagnate/decline for most.
An intere... See more Translation, like other industries, is slowly being "de-skilled" - first CAT software, then MT, then google translate, then DeepL and next AI.
Of course, translators will still be required in highly-specialised areas and this does not preclude translators in niche languages who have a stable of well-paying direct customers, but the industry will be increasingly unattractive for young translators and translation rates will continue to stagnate/decline for most.
An interesting article in the Telegraph cites a translation degree as being the second worst in terms of "value for money" and career prospects.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/worst-university-degrees-damage-career-prospects/
Of course, there will soon be articles on how there is a "shortage of translators" - capitalist code speak for "why aren't people prepared to work for the rates we are offering".
It should be an interesting ride... ▲ Collapse
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I was wondering whether there is truth in the rumour that Deepl keeps copie of whatever I am translating when I am using the free version. Does anyone know if that's true, please?
| | | | Mr. Satan (X)
English to Indonesian
Bibsy wrote:
I was wondering whether there is truth in the rumour that Deepl keeps copie of whatever I am translating when I am using the free version. Does anyone know if that's true, please?
DeepL's privacy policy (see section 3 and 7):
https://www.deepl.com/en/privacy
Notwithstanding their claims, as long you don't have access to their infrastructure, there's no way to verify whether they abide by their own policies. Always assume they log everything and keep your data forever.
[Edited at 2023-08-04 11:43 GMT]
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Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:51
Serbian to English
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Bibsy wrote:
I was wondering whether there is truth in the rumour that Deepl keeps copie of whatever I am translating when I am using the free version. Does anyone know if that's true, please?
If it's technically feasible - and it definitely is - you can safely assume that DeepL is doing it. Especially when given the continuously falling costs memory and processing power are not much of a limiting factor.
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