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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

those doing education

English answer:

students

Added to glossary by Yvonne Gallagher
Nov 13, 2011 20:46
12 yrs ago
English term

those doing education

English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Hello everyone,

How much should prisoners be paid for working in prison? Should the amount they are paid reflect the profit made? What about those doing domestic duties like cleaning or those doing education – should they be paid?

Does "those doing education" imply prisoners who act as a teachers or prisoners who study themselves, i.e. who are students?

Thank you.
Responses
4 +4 students
5 +1 prisioners - either students or teachers
Change log

Nov 22, 2011 22:55: Yvonne Gallagher Created KOG entry

Discussion

Charles Davis Nov 14, 2011:
@B D With education at the bottom of the list...

One of the prisoners interviewed for the Prison Reform Trust book did say: "if you’re trying to better yourself, it’s better doing education than putting dirty washing in a washing machine".
B D Finch Nov 14, 2011:
Perhaps ... ... there is a list somewhere of things prisoners might choose to do, e.g.:
plucking hemp
sewing mail bags
cleaning out the stables
feeding the pigs
making widgets
education
Jessica Noyes Nov 13, 2011:
It is unclear in your source text. I suggest you leave it ambiguous: "those involved in education."
Charles Davis Nov 13, 2011:
And by the way, prisoners in the UK are paid for "doing education" (studying), though less than for working:

"How did prisoners feel about rates of pay for education?
Pay was certainly a topic of concern, in every group, once we had raised it. [...]
The irony in being paid to receive education did not escape some. Several prisoners recognised that, on the outside, they would have to pay for it themselves"
http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/uploads/documents/Time_t...

The term "doing education" occurs several times in this text, a book on education in UK prisons.
Charles Davis Nov 13, 2011:
It is quite true that prisoners can act as teachers in prison, in certain circumstances, but this is very much less common than prisoners receiving education. In the UK, "doing" education is a standard term for prisoners following a course of education as students; I haven't seen it used to refer to teaching. For example:

"It seems to be a general policy that prisoners doing education get paid less than those involved in a work activity. Much of the work activity provided in prisons today has no educational value. The result is that prisoners are not incentivised or motivated to take up education courses and the current imbalance between remuneration for work and education gives out a message that education has a low value."
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/c...
Jenni Lukac (X) Nov 13, 2011:
I'm 99% sure that gallagy is right, but I would query the client to be sure. Although the other option is improbable, it is possible: www.toe-by-toe.co.uk/prison_project.html - Traducir esta página
In October 2000, HMP Wandsworth's Neil Lodge launched the Toe by Toe project, a one-to-one literacy scheme in which prisoners teach other prisoners to read. ...

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students

imo

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Note added at 2 mins (2011-11-13 20:48:56 GMT)
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i.e they are on educational programmes in the prison; usually the teachers come in from "outside"

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Note added at 35 mins (2011-11-13 21:22:01 GMT)
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as for earnings, people on training programmes within prison are usually considered to be doing something useful, hence the possibility of being paid like those making the dog toys, postbags or licence plates or uniforms (usual types of prison industry) etc

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Note added at 44 mins (2011-11-13 21:30:14 GMT)
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www.guardian.co.uk/.../erwin-james-education-prisoners-reha...






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17 Sep 2009 – Proper education and meaningful work in prison is central to the rehabilitation process, as made evident by Erwin Jamess compelling story. ...


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www.guardian.co.uk/.../erwin-james-education-prisoners-reha...

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Note added at 9 days (2011-11-22 22:55:25 GMT) Post-grading
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glad to help
Peer comment(s):
agree Charles Davis
17 mins
thanks Charles:-)
agree Jenni Lukac (X) : I didn't know that in the UK prisoners were paid to study. Thanks, Charles!
1 hr
thanks Jenni. It's my understanding that a good few countries pay prisoners for work and also for education
agree B D Finch
21 hrs
thank you!
agree Thuy-PTT (X)
1 day 4 hrs
thank you:-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Many thanks to everyone. Thank you, gallagy2."
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8 mins

prisioners - either students or teachers

The whole extract from the ST refers to prisioners - the first sentence reads: "How much should prisoners be paid for working in prison?"

The second sentence reinforces this: "Should the amount they are paid reflect the profit made?" (note: 'they' can only refer to prisioners, since no-one else has been mentioned).

There is nothing in the third sentence to suggest that it refers to anyone oither than those same 'prisioners'. And they could be students OR teachers (some prisioners win 'points' by teaching a trade to fellow prisioners).
Peer comment(s):
agree Sheila Wilson : As they are talking about earnings, I would have thought that teaching would be more likely
17 mins
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