Dec 29, 2007 06:49
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Russian term

Хозяйственный суд Киева (Украины)

Russian to English Law/Patents Law (general)
Я перевел как Business Court of Kiev (или в другом случае Высший хозяйственный суд Украины как Higher Business Court of Ukraine), но меня исправили на "Economic Court...". Какие будут мнения?

Discussion

Vladimir Dubisskiy Dec 29, 2007:
I believe "Business Court / Higher Business C." are both incorrect. 'Economic' seems more appropriate.

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Economic court of Kiev (in this case)

These may easily differ between courts, but in this particular case, 'economic court' seems to be a lot more popular: 416 hits as opposed to just 5 for 'business.'

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This is a classic example of overcomplicating things for no reason whatsoever. Court names differ from court to court arbitrarily, and the translator's duty lies in following what is already widely accepted, rather than trying to reinvent the wheel. And if people want to use Google as evidence, they should do so RESPONSIBLY. For instance:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org....

vs

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org....

AND

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org....

vs

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org....

6 vs 439 and 8 vs 2370 in favor of 'economic' over 'business.' If you plug in any other suggested options, you get a similar result. It is clearly the most widely used term. Why make things more difficult than they are? Isn't our job complicated enough?
Peer comment(s):

agree Alexander Kondorsky : I chose this answer because this is the most universal term and closest to the original
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Thank you, Alexander.
neutral Yuri Geifman : it's 3 years later and I just happened to come across the same dilemma - the client prefers "economic", which is widely used in the CIS, while I tend to say "business"... btw I just got 84,000 hits for "economic court" and 817,000 for "business court"
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Administrative Court

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references

why not check in the Internet :-))

http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/anot.cgi?nreg=3018-14

Law of Ukraine of 07.02.2002 № 3018-III
On Judicial System of Ukraine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_Ukraine

The judicial system of Ukraine consists of four levels of courts of general jurisdiction, as follows:

Local courts of general jurisdiction (combining criminal and civil jurisdiction) consisting of:
district, urban district and town courts;
regional courts;
city courts in Kiev and Sevastopol;
administrative local courts.
Appeals courts, consisting of:
appeals court of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
regional appeals courts;
appeals courts of the cities of Kiev and Sevastopol;
appeals court of the Ukrainian Navy;
regional military appeals courts;
economic appeals courts (known also as arbitration courts);
administrative appeals courts
The Appeals Court of Ukraine (currently not existed)
High courts with specialized jurisdiction:

The High Administrative Court of Ukraine, covering administrative cases;
The High Arbitration Court of Ukraine, covering economic and commercial cases
The Supreme Court, covering all cases.
The Constitutional Court of Ukraine is a special body with authority to assess whether legislative acts are in line with the Constitution of Ukraine.

ALSO:
http://www.brama.com/law/courts.html
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Arbitration Court; Business Court

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http://www.kommersant.ua/doc.html?DocID=768353&IssueId=41312

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court of arbitration

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economic court - это какой-то переводчик, навроде ........, перевел изначально, и потом стали копировать, и так и поехало

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Официальный правительственный сайт:
In 2002 the Commission received 74 complaints on considering normative acts of the Commission invalid, including 23 appeals and complaints from private persons. Besides, the employees of the Commission participated in consideration of 3 appeals of the decisions of primary courts by the Business Appeal Court of Kyiv, 5 cassation complaints by the Supreme Business Court of Ukraine and 4 cassation complaints by the Supreme Court of Ukraine which were not finished in 2001.
http://www.ssmsc.gov.ua/4/02/2_9.shtml

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Кстати, Google:
"business court" and ukraine - 2,080 hits
"Economic Court" and ukraine - всего лишь 11,000 hits

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Смотрим перевод слова economic в словаре Merriam Webster:

1. archaic of or relating to a household or its management
2. economical 2
3.
a. of or relating to economics < economic theories >
b. of, relating to, or based on the production, distribution, and consumption of goods and services < economic growth >
c. of or relating to an economy < a group of economic advisers >
4. having practical or industrial significance or uses ; affecting material resources
5. profitable

где здесь значение, подходящее для "хозяйственный" в данном случае, ведь "хозяйственный суд" подразумевает "суд по делам между хозяйственными обществами, по спорам, возникающим из деловых отношений", а не "суд народного хозяйства".

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The North Carolina Business Court is a specialized forum of the North Carolina State Courts’ trial division. Cases involving complex and significant issues of corporate and commercial law in our state are assigned by the Chief Justice of the North Carolina Supreme Court to a special superior court judge who oversees resolution of all matters in the case through trial.
http://www.ncbusinesscourt.net/

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Западный новостной сайт:
The Business Court of Kiev city has scheduled a court hearing in the case for May 25.
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2004/2004-05-14-01.asp

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Еще один правительственный сайт:
However, the Fund’s order №1517 as of November 2, 2006 suspended the abovementioned tender pursuant to the decision by Mikhailovka Regional Court in Zaporozhye dated September 15, 2006 in case №2а-2b as well as decision №32/632а by the BUSINESS COURT in Kiev as of November 2, 2006.
http://www.ukraine-tipp.gov.ua/midinvest/control/en/publish/...

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Кстати, Google:
"economic court" and USA - 5,060 hits
"business court" and USA - 14,400 hits

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Еще одно:
хозяйственное общество, например, переводится как business company, а не economic company
Google:
"economic company" - 7,840 hits
"business company" - 2,380,000 hits

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Ok, Google:
"economic court of Ukraine" - 67 hits

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"Economic Court of Kiev" - just 34 hits, not 439

There's this glitch in Google, they show at the top of the page one amount, but when you follow the links 1,2,3,4,5.... it shows a far lesser amount of hits.
Peer comment(s):

agree Igor Blinov : я за "Arbitration Court" - остальное от лукавого
3 days 22 hrs
agree Tsogt Gombosuren : The question has been asked several times. For example: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1019335
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