Sep 22, 2004 11:52
19 yrs ago
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English term
sign on - sign off
English
Art/Literary
Linguistics
We have this eternal argument at work: sign on and sign off, all together, hyphenated, two different words? Can someone shed some light on it?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
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4 +2 | two separate words |
Mikhail Kropotov
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4 +2 | see comment below... |
Tony M
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4 | no hyphens |
Kim Metzger
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3 mins
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two separate words
That is the grammatically correct way, though for all intent purposes the hyphenated versions are no worse. But I would stray from "signon" and "signoff", those are not good at all.
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Note added at 5 mins (2004-09-22 11:58:17 GMT)
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That is, if you are talking about them as regular verbs. There are lots of registered names like SignOn, Sign-On, etc.
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Note added at 5 mins (2004-09-22 11:58:17 GMT)
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That is, if you are talking about them as regular verbs. There are lots of registered names like SignOn, Sign-On, etc.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "ñïàñèáî!!! I hope it's well written! "
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13 mins
see comment below...
I do, of course, basically agree with both SirReal and Kim; however (isn't there always a 'however' from Dusty?!) ---
there are times when used as a noun that adding the hyphen makes sentence structure clearer. A 'sign-on' can be some kind of codde, passord or whatever that people may use to sign on to some system with, and 'sign-off' is often used as an informal way of saying 'closing formula' either for things like letters, or in more figurative contexts.
I think in these noun cases, the hyphens are at least sometime justified.
"at sign-on" = "at the time of signing on"
Analagous with 'start-up' and 'switch-off', etc. when used as nouns
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Note added at 15 mins (2004-09-22 12:08:16 GMT)
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Oops! That should be code, password and sometimes, of course!
there are times when used as a noun that adding the hyphen makes sentence structure clearer. A 'sign-on' can be some kind of codde, passord or whatever that people may use to sign on to some system with, and 'sign-off' is often used as an informal way of saying 'closing formula' either for things like letters, or in more figurative contexts.
I think in these noun cases, the hyphens are at least sometime justified.
"at sign-on" = "at the time of signing on"
Analagous with 'start-up' and 'switch-off', etc. when used as nouns
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Note added at 15 mins (2004-09-22 12:08:16 GMT)
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Oops! That should be code, password and sometimes, of course!
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Mikhail Kropotov
: true, though we have also "startup" as one word - not so with "signon" and "signoff"
1 min
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agree |
Alexander Demyanov
19 mins
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6 mins
no hyphens
I'm only aware of these terms as verbs. I'm going to sign off now. A hyphen is used for compound words: mother-in-law, adjectives before nouns as in "a home-grown tomato",
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Note added at 17 mins (2004-09-22 12:09:37 GMT)
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Another useful \"rule\" for hyphens is \"use hyphens to avoid amibuity.\"
1. He recovered from the shock of losing $10,000.
2. Mrs. Jones re-covered her sofa.
1. Aerobic dancing is good recreation.
2. The novel was a re-creation of his own childhood.
So \"do this before sign-off\" could be the right solution \"to avoid ambiguity.\"
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Note added at 17 mins (2004-09-22 12:09:37 GMT)
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Another useful \"rule\" for hyphens is \"use hyphens to avoid amibuity.\"
1. He recovered from the shock of losing $10,000.
2. Mrs. Jones re-covered her sofa.
1. Aerobic dancing is good recreation.
2. The novel was a re-creation of his own childhood.
So \"do this before sign-off\" could be the right solution \"to avoid ambiguity.\"
Discussion
Say it like this "spuh-SEE-buh".
And yes, it's perfectly written.
SirReal, you can also say "before sign off" if you take sign off as a noun, as Dusty explained below. Thanks to you all!