Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

allure franquiste

English translation:

in the style of Cesar Franck

Added to glossary by David Vaughn
Jul 20, 2010 13:58
14 yrs ago
French term

allure franquiste

French to English Art/Literary Music musique concrète
Contemporary programme notes by Pierre Schaeffer from 1952:

« La Sphoradie fut d’abord jugée irrecevable par ses premiers auditeurs, et défendue par l’auteur seul. Il faut bien dire que tout y choquait. Après une “exposition” de sillons fermés taillés en pleine masse orchestrale, sorte d’arrachés violents, on tombait tout à coup dans un quatuor à cordes, d’allure franquiste, qui insensiblement virait à l’envers, puis revenait à son romantisme de bon aloi. »

I'm not sure if we are talking military music here, Schaeffer does sometimes use images that are more specific than the point he's making. I'm also wondering if "allure" here is limited to the tempo of the music, or if the Franco Falangist thingy plays a part, and if so what part.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 in the style of Cesar Franck
3 +2 (César) Franckist allure
4 Franco-like (string quartet)

Discussion

SMcG (X) Jul 20, 2010:
Allure already discussed as being vocabulary specific to Schaefer, here it more means motion, Franckist is a musical "school" as in post-franckist aesthetic.
Imanol Jul 20, 2010:
No hypothesis can be rejected at this stage
kashew Jul 20, 2010:
franquiste Is Schaeffer playing wordgames? Or is it a typo?
What do you think, Imanol?
kashew Jul 20, 2010:
@imanol Yes, your French spelling franckien is correct - my (false?) lead was the string quartet reference.
Imanol Jul 20, 2010:
@ Kashew Very interesting hypothesis! But shoudn't it be franckienne?
Imanol Jul 20, 2010:
Hard to say I think it's something like "musique genre bruits de bottes" : saccadée

Proposed translations

+1
2 hrs
Selected

in the style of Cesar Franck

I think it's better to spell out the name of the composer in full, rather than try to coin an adjective for him. English tends not to use adjectives based on names except in rare cases- churchillian etc, for very well-known people.
Example sentence:

((in the Style of Pugnani) - for Violin and Piano). By Fritz Kreisler (1875-1962). For Violin Solo, Piano. Solo part with piano reduction. Standard notation. 5 pages. Published by Carl Fischer (CF.F1064).

Peer comment(s):

agree Philippa Smith
4 mins
Thank you, Philippa
agree philgoddard : César.
20 mins
Thank you, Phil. (I'm using a computer that doesn't seem to do accents!)
disagree SMcG (X) : surely it means the Franckist school of neo classical music not the composer himself, also if Pierre Schaeffer wrote the notes himself, I do not think he would use the phrase "in the style of Cesar Franck", he is talking about the Franckist school.
1 hr
\i think 'in the style of' covers this wider meaning- it doesn't necessarily mean that the composer himself wrote it.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Research on this Schaeffer piece makes it clear he was specifically referring to César Franck. This adjective IS used in French to refer to him. I concluded that "allure" was not used in the Schaefferrian meaning, since allure does have a ordinary musical meaning, and the text predated Schaeffer's classification work. Thanks for all the input."
48 mins

Franco-like (string quartet)

I'd say the music is extremely violent at first, then moves on to something extremely tight and square and controlled, and then goes back to the violent Romantic mode.
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+2
20 mins

(César) Franckist allure

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Note added at 22 minutes (2010-07-20 14:21:43 GMT)
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"allure" as in previous question.
Style: Many of Franck's works employ "cyclic form", a method of achieving unity among several movements in which all of the principal themes of the work are generated from a germinal motif. - Wiki

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Note added at 3 heures (2010-07-20 16:58:55 GMT)
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Schaeffer might even mean "elegance".
Listening to Sphoradie would clear up a lot of the fog here.
Peer comment(s):

neutral philgoddard : "allure" is a false friend here - it just means "style".
2 hrs
I was trying to link up with yesterday's question on "allure". Schaeffer might even mean "elegance".
agree SMcG (X)
3 hrs
Thanks
neutral Karen Vincent-Jones (X) : Agree with Phil that 'allure' is a rather too literal translation
3 hrs
agree Rachel Fell : Franckist feel/tone - or maybe allure? http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/essay-why-ha...
4 hrs
Thanks
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Reference comments

5 hrs
Reference:

typo for franckiste?

http://universfranckiste.free.fr/index.php

Ernest Chausson, compositeur français (1855-1899). Il commence par des études de droit et n'entre au Conservatoire de Paris qu'à l'âge de 25 ans (classe de Massenet). La rigidité de l'enseignement officiel n'est pas compatible avec son caractère. Il entre dans la classe de C. Franck (orgue). Il quitte le conservatoire et travaille à titre privé avec Frank. Il montre une grande indépendance dans ses opinions esthétiques. Il manifeste un grand libéralisme à l'égard des autres. De 1888 à sa mort il est secrétaire général de la Société nationale de Musique et il fait connaître des compositeurs de son temps, notamment Debussy. Il est mort d'un accident de vélo (fracture du crâne). Son oeuvre est caractéristique de l'école franckiste avec cependant des influences wagnériennes. Sa musique annonce l'impressionnisme.

Mais l'audition du Chant de la Cloche de Vincent d'Indy, en 1886, le décidait à quitter ses premiers maîtres pour demander des conseils et des leçons à ce César Franck qui avait su former un si grand musicien.

Il appartient donc à ce groupe des franckistes qui comprenait Castillon, Duparc, d'Indy, Chausson, Lekeu, Pierre de Bréville, Charles Bordes, Louis de Serres.

http://www.musicologie.org/Biographies/r/ropartz.html
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