Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Strichfassung
English translation:
dramaturgical cut script
Added to glossary by
Susanne Higer
Mar 16, 2013 13:22
11 yrs ago
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German term
Austria
Strichfassung
German to English
Art/Literary
Poetry & Literature
Theatre
A "Strichfassung" in German refers to (a copy of) a play that has been shortened by the (theatrical) director. The German "Strich" refers to the actual stroke which marks/crosses out the passage to be omitted in the play. The passages are not removed but remain on the paper and may be included again (i.e., the strokes removed or "aufgehoben" in German) at a later stage. I would very much appreciate if someone could provide the appropriate English term. Thank you so much in advance!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | dramaturgical cut script |
Woodstock (X)
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| 3 +1 | (script) cut(s) version |
freekfluweel
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| 2 | abbreviated version |
gangels (X)
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Proposed translations
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Selected
dramaturgical cut script
Yale Drama School, the premier university acting school in the US, calls this "dramaturgical cut script", as cutting the script is one of the functions of the dramaturg, the "worker of the text". However, this doesn't Google well, but that might be because it is ultra-specialized, and you don't specify the target language or culture. That's why only "medium confidence".
"The collection consists of production scripts from the Yale School of Drama, including dramaturgical cut scripts, early scripts, promptbooks, production books, and regular scripts."
From: http://drs.library.yale.edu:8083/HLTransformer/HLTransServle...
The Univ. of Newcastle (Australia) reference below merely mentions "revised scripts", but that may not be specific enough.
I actually was a dramaturg many years ago, but mostly worked as an assistant dramaturg in Germany, so I'm not 100% sure on how often this term really used in the English-speaking theater.
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Sorry, left out an "is" in the last sentence: "...this term is really used..."
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Also referenced by andres-larsen below, but I found it independently - a specific mention of *Strichfassung" in a list of tasks performed by the Dramaturg: "Bearbeitung und Übersetzung von Dramentexten; im Musiktheater Einrichtung von Opern oder Libretti (Strichfassung = Festlegung von Kürzungen)"
from Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturgie
The English "Dramaturgy" page in Wikipedia is not quite as detailed, but might also be of some use.
Translation is also a function of the dramaturg, which was part of my job.
"The collection consists of production scripts from the Yale School of Drama, including dramaturgical cut scripts, early scripts, promptbooks, production books, and regular scripts."
From: http://drs.library.yale.edu:8083/HLTransformer/HLTransServle...
The Univ. of Newcastle (Australia) reference below merely mentions "revised scripts", but that may not be specific enough.
I actually was a dramaturg many years ago, but mostly worked as an assistant dramaturg in Germany, so I'm not 100% sure on how often this term really used in the English-speaking theater.
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Note added at 58 mins (2013-03-16 14:20:52 GMT)
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Sorry, left out an "is" in the last sentence: "...this term is really used..."
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Note added at 1 hr (2013-03-16 14:43:37 GMT)
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Also referenced by andres-larsen below, but I found it independently - a specific mention of *Strichfassung" in a list of tasks performed by the Dramaturg: "Bearbeitung und Übersetzung von Dramentexten; im Musiktheater Einrichtung von Opern oder Libretti (Strichfassung = Festlegung von Kürzungen)"
from Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturgie
The English "Dramaturgy" page in Wikipedia is not quite as detailed, but might also be of some use.
Translation is also a function of the dramaturg, which was part of my job.
Reference:
http://www.newcastle.edu.au/students/degrees-to-careers/job/dramaturg-and-literary-advisor.html
Note from asker:
| I thought I sent an answer before, but it seems to have been lost in space... If it reached you, pls ignore this, otherwise here goes again: Thank you, I believe this is quite what I was looking for. I am dealing with an (Austrian) contract to be translated for guest (performers), i.e., it is all happening in Austria. You are right, German Wiki on Dramaturgie is rather more detailed than the English page. Anyway, I guess this will be IT. Thank you again! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Lancashireman
: How about 'the final cut'? For an EN readership, it is probably best to omit 'Dramaturg' (Drama? Urgh!).
10 hrs
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Thanks, Andrew. Since this is a contract for an Austrian theater, dramaturg is fine. If it were for the US or UK, some accommodation would probably be appropriate.
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| agree |
Nicole Schnell
11 hrs
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Thank you, Nicole.
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philgoddard
: I think there's some confusion between "dramaturg" and "dramaturgical" here. The German says neither. Dramaturgical just means "pertaining to plays".
13 hrs
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Not really. It's highly specialized language and has to do with the function of the dramaturg in the German-speaking theatre. Since this is for Austria, it is fine. I don't know about UK, but in the US the dramaturg doesn't carry nearly the same weight.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you woodstock for your to-the-point suggestion! Thank you everyone else for your very valuable contributions!"
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1 hr
freekfluweel
Netherlands
Netherlands
Netherlands
M.Sc. in Architecture, B.A.
Native in: Dutch 
Works in: Dutch to German, German to Dutch, English to Dutch, and 5 more.
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Note from asker:
| Thanks for your suggestions, in particular the link to the Merchant of Venice - how DID you find it?? Very good!! |
23 hrs
abbreviated version
I have seen in some instances (don't remember where right now).
Of course , "concise" is also possible
Of course , "concise" is also possible
Reference comments
26 mins
Andres Larsen
Venezuela
Venezuela
Native in English
Venezuela
freelance translator
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, German to English, and 3 more.
Reference:
(dramaturgy) line version = definition of shortening / to cut a play
Qwika - Dramaturgie
wikipedia.qwika.com/de2en/Dramaturgie
Dramaturgy designates also the work area drama door gene at the theatre. ... Treatment and translation of drama texts; in the concert hall mechanism of operas or Libretti (***line version = definition of shortening***); development of background ...
Dramaturgie – Wikipedia
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturgie
Bearbeitung und Übersetzung von Dramentexten; im Musiktheater Einrichtung von Opern oder Libretti (***Strichfassung = Festlegung von Kürzungen***) ...
dict.cc dictionary :: Strichfassung :: German-English translation
www.dict.cc/german-english/Strichfassung.html
Tabular list of translations | always » List of translations starting with the same letters » StR | Strich | ***Strichfassung · eine Strichfassung erstellen · to cut a play*** ...
The Dramaturgy of Dialect - ScholarWorks@UMass Amherst ...
scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1151&context...
PDF/Adobe Acrobat
TA Kingston - 2008 -
useful tool to use when looking at the dramaturgical problems faced when producing plays in an .... codes embedded in the text when producing a play from another culture. .... ***Most of the cuts were made simply to shorten the length*** of the ...
Dramaturgy: A Revolution in Theatre. - Free Online Library
www.thefreelibrary.com › ... › Theatre Notebook › October 1, 2006
Free Online Library: Dramaturgy: A Revolution in Theatre. ... As with Lessing, she returns to the original texts, and in Brecht's case the most illuminating ... ***Dialogues, known to many only through the shortened version*** translated by John Willett.
The Dramaturgy of Senecan Tragedy - Page 5 -
books.google.com/books?isbn=0472118579
Thomas Kohn - 2012 - Performing Arts
By ***studying midline sense pauses and certain metrical shortening***, Fitch has divided ... the order followed both in Zwierlein's Oxford Classical Texts and in Fitch's ...
The Dramaturgy of Religious Emotions in Bach's ... - Bach Network UK
www.bachnetwork.co.uk/ub4/hacohen.pdf
PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Dramaturgy, when applied to Bach's vocal religious compositions, raises a major .... similar way as did ***linear perspective, foreshortening and gesture*** in, say, ..... 1) speech acts (as textual units) entailed in the poetical text: their kinds, force, ...
The Ontology of Dramaturgy
www.tau.ac.il/.../The Ontology of Dramaturgy IX.doc
Microsoft Word - Quick View
So defined and deployed, it is a formal category. .... a convincing form of her argument exists somewhere, ***proportionate to the shortened form shown on stage . ..... Of course, to be revealing, many lines in the play had been made sharper*** and ...
wikipedia.qwika.com/de2en/Dramaturgie
Dramaturgy designates also the work area drama door gene at the theatre. ... Treatment and translation of drama texts; in the concert hall mechanism of operas or Libretti (***line version = definition of shortening***); development of background ...
Dramaturgie – Wikipedia
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramaturgie
Bearbeitung und Übersetzung von Dramentexten; im Musiktheater Einrichtung von Opern oder Libretti (***Strichfassung = Festlegung von Kürzungen***) ...
dict.cc dictionary :: Strichfassung :: German-English translation
www.dict.cc/german-english/Strichfassung.html
Tabular list of translations | always » List of translations starting with the same letters » StR | Strich | ***Strichfassung · eine Strichfassung erstellen · to cut a play*** ...
The Dramaturgy of Dialect - ScholarWorks@UMass Amherst ...
scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1151&context...
PDF/Adobe Acrobat
TA Kingston - 2008 -
useful tool to use when looking at the dramaturgical problems faced when producing plays in an .... codes embedded in the text when producing a play from another culture. .... ***Most of the cuts were made simply to shorten the length*** of the ...
Dramaturgy: A Revolution in Theatre. - Free Online Library
www.thefreelibrary.com › ... › Theatre Notebook › October 1, 2006
Free Online Library: Dramaturgy: A Revolution in Theatre. ... As with Lessing, she returns to the original texts, and in Brecht's case the most illuminating ... ***Dialogues, known to many only through the shortened version*** translated by John Willett.
The Dramaturgy of Senecan Tragedy - Page 5 -
books.google.com/books?isbn=0472118579
Thomas Kohn - 2012 - Performing Arts
By ***studying midline sense pauses and certain metrical shortening***, Fitch has divided ... the order followed both in Zwierlein's Oxford Classical Texts and in Fitch's ...
The Dramaturgy of Religious Emotions in Bach's ... - Bach Network UK
www.bachnetwork.co.uk/ub4/hacohen.pdf
PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Dramaturgy, when applied to Bach's vocal religious compositions, raises a major .... similar way as did ***linear perspective, foreshortening and gesture*** in, say, ..... 1) speech acts (as textual units) entailed in the poetical text: their kinds, force, ...
The Ontology of Dramaturgy
www.tau.ac.il/.../The Ontology of Dramaturgy IX.doc
Microsoft Word - Quick View
So defined and deployed, it is a formal category. .... a convincing form of her argument exists somewhere, ***proportionate to the shortened form shown on stage . ..... Of course, to be revealing, many lines in the play had been made sharper*** and ...
Note from asker:
| Thank you so much for your efforts! Some very valuable references there! |
Peer comments on this reference comment:
| agree |
Woodstock (X)
: I meant to do this earlier, but got sidetracked. Great work!
7 hrs
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| agree |
Nicole Schnell
12 hrs
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Discussion
Appositions of Jacques Derrida and Emmauel Levinas - Page 34 - books.google.com/books?isbn=0253214939
John Llewelyn - 2002 - Philosophy
... and that they should be ***crossed out, gestrichen (which is not quite the same as removed***) , he explains that this is because to think is to listen to language.
dict.cc dictionary :: [crossedout;deleted] :: German-English translation
www.dict.cc/english-german/[crossedout;deleted].html
dict.cc German-English Dictionary: Translation for [crossedout;deleted] ... English -German translation for: [crossedout;deleted]. ä ö ü ß ... gelöscht · xed (out) {adj} { past-p} [Am.] [***crossed out, deleted] · gestrichen [durchgestrichen***, ausgestrichen] ...