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Apr 2, 2012 18:08
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Portuguese term

estar quites com as obrigações sociais

Portuguese to English Bus/Financial Business/Commerce (general) Articles of Incorporation
Hi All,

I'm currently translating a company's Articles of Incorporation and would appreciate any advice on the above phrase in the following context:

"A Assembleia Geral poderá ser convocada por 1/5 (um quinto) dos associados, desde que estejam quites com as obrigações sociais"

From my understanding, I believe this means that any members who wish to convene a Shareholders' Meeting must be up-to-date with all contributions, but would appreciate any advice/feedback.

Many thanks in advance,

Darren
Proposed translations (English)
4 -1 are fully compliant with their social obligations
4 -1 so (as) long as this complies with the company's articles of association
4 -1 (on the condition that) they have fully complied with their social obligations
4 -1 as long as they are up-to-date with all their dues
3 provided they are compliant with their societary obligations

Discussion

Andre Ferreira Aug 26, 2022:
good standing Definition: An individual or legal entity in good standing is regarded as having complied with all their explicit obligations, while not being subject to any form of sanction, suspension or disciplinary censure.
Mark Robertson Apr 3, 2012:
No misunderstanding, you used the wrong terms Your terms were: "company's Articles of Incorporation" "Shareholders' Meeting". Associations are not incorporated and do not have shareholders.
darrenthomps (asker) Apr 3, 2012:
@MARK And yet you seem to be the only person to have misunderstood. Thank you for your advice anyway.
Mark Robertson Apr 3, 2012:
In that case it is indeed members not shareholders and my answer is wrong. Your question was a bit misleading.
darrenthomps (asker) Apr 3, 2012:
@MARK The "association" in question refers to itself as an "Instituto" and was formed by one S.A. company together with one Ltda. company
Mark Robertson Apr 3, 2012:
Please clarify. Is the entity in question that was formed by the two companies a company or just an association? What is it called? Does its name end in the standard abbreviations that indicate that is some sort of company?
Martin Riordan Apr 3, 2012:
@Darren I would suggest the term "membership dues" rather than "corresponding obligation". As you can see from the two examples I have given, being up-to-date with membership dues is the normal condition in associations for taking part in the general assembly. In that sense, there is nothing ambiguous about the source phrase.
darrenthomps (asker) Apr 3, 2012:
Ambiguous option? Hi All,

Would a more ambiguous approach, such as "members who are fully compliant with their corresponding obligation" be a safer option in this instance?
darrenthomps (asker) Apr 3, 2012:
Clarification Hi Martin,

the association is dedicated to promoting the use of sprinkler systems as the most efficient means of fire protection - it is made up of two private companies.

Thanks!
Martin Riordan Apr 3, 2012:
@darrenthomps Could you explain what kind of association this is? Is it a limited company, S.A. or some kind of association?

Proposed translations

-1
17 mins

are fully compliant with their social obligations

Sug.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mark Robertson : social/social are false friends in this context, cf. my comment on Sheryle's answer.
14 hrs
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-1
17 mins

so (as) long as this complies with the company's articles of association

Unless there are better ways of saying it...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mark Robertson : This does not really deal with the question of the shareholders' obligations.
14 hrs
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-1
3 hrs

(on the condition that) they have fully complied with their social obligations

Social obligations are both legal and financial. To attend the meeting, the member/shareholder has to be in good standing with the company and the community - to be a personal representative of corporate social responsibility (CSR) and the obligations attached thereto.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mark Robertson : sociais here means corporate / company obligations. Sociedade noun: social its adjective.
11 hrs
I had the same doubt. But how do we say it in English? Just /corporate obligations/? Happy to agree.
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-1
1 hr

as long as they are up-to-date with all their dues

It means they have to be up-to-date with all their payments to the association. This is the norm in most associations.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2012-04-03 11:10:39 GMT)
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The articles of association of the non-profit scientific society, the Sociedade Brasileira de Biologia celular (S.B.B.C.), at the address below, have wording very similar to the context.

http://www.sbbc.org.br/content/view/2/9/

DOS DEVERES E DIREITOS DOS ASSOCIADOS
Art. 4º - b) São deveres dos Associados manter-se em dia com anuidades da Sociedade e prestigiar seus atos e decisões.
Parágrafo único - o não pagamento de anuidades acarretará na perda de benefícios de Associado.

Artigo 10º - A Assembléia Geral será integrada por todos os associados com anuidades em dia com a sociedade e se reunirá por ocasião dos Congressos da Sociedade.

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Note added at 17 hrs (2012-04-03 11:17:29 GMT)
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And also this association:
http://www.appaonline.com.br/estatuto.html

Art. 22º - A Assembléia Geral poderá ser convocada pelo Diretor Presidente e por deliberação unânime do Conselho Fiscal, ou requerida, no mínimo, por 1/5 (um quinto) dos Associados quites com a APPA. (...)
Parágrafo Único - Quando a Assembléia Geral for convocada por 1/5 (um quinto) dos Associados quites com suas obrigações, a Presidência terá um prazo de 15 (quinze) dias para a emissão e distribuição da Carta de Convocação.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Mark Robertson : 1) I have never heard of dues in a company context. All shareholders normally have to pay for are their shares. 2) Asker's specific references to "company/shareholders". Vocabulário Jurídico De Placido e Silva lists shareholder as a meaning of associado.
14 hrs
Since when does a company have "associados"? Associations have "associados" and also have "obrigações sociais".
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1 day 22 hrs

provided they are compliant with their societary obligations

sug.
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