Feb 6, 2012 03:17
12 yrs ago
Ukrainian term

колвек

Ukrainian to English Social Sciences History (local dialectal expression, 18th century)
In a historical document about church history in the Carpathian region (a warning to anyone who would dare steal church items, dated 1743):

"Хто би си имал отдалити яким *колвек* способом от церкви святия ... проклят ..."

I work only in Russian and Church Slavonic, but can puzzle out almost all local dialect (father's area) if it's in a dictionary, and this is not in Andrusyshen's Ukrainian reference, Dyachenko's CS, or any Russian. I am helping a friend who is interested in this area.

Thanks!
Proposed translations (English)
4 яким колвек = any other

Discussion

Vassyl Trylis Feb 7, 2012:
thank you, Angela, let us wait for somebody knowing Polish better :).
Angela Greenfield Feb 6, 2012:
Put your translation into an asnwer, Vassyl I would like to support it.
Vassyl Trylis Feb 6, 2012:
Angela, Yes, this was common, but it does not mean "Ukrainian by its origin". In fact, I don't know, but phonetically... it does not sound Ukrainian... nor even Russian:). Well, does it matter ?
Angela Greenfield Feb 6, 2012:
Funny, I tried to find a quote from a chronicle to illustrate my point and came upon Mazepa's letter to Motrya Kochubei: Прошу и велце, мое серденко, яким колвек способом обачься за мною: що с В. М. далее чинити; боюж больше не буду ворогам своим терпети, конечне одомщению учиню, а якое сама обачишь. Шасливши мои письма, що в рученках твоих бувают, нежли мои бедние очи, то тебе не оглядают http://fb2.booksgid.com/content/EF/nikolay-zadonskiy-smutnay...
Angela Greenfield Feb 6, 2012:
Vassyl I agree with the translation, but not with the origin. Of course, granting that Poland and Ukraine were once the same country, you may say that it is a Polish word, but if you read 12th and 13th century chronicles, this word is common.
Vassyl Trylis Feb 6, 2012:
Purely Polish word "-kolwiek" which means "any", "any at all" or "ever".

Proposed translations

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яким колвек = any other

I think this is Church Ukrainian, very close to Church Slavonic
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