| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3] > | Disturbing "featured translator" images... Thread poster: Andrew Levine
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| I also found the image funny | Sep 4, 2007 |
And I agree, it does bring through a certain sense of humor from the translator that might make him come to mind for certain jobs (videogames, etc), so it serves a purpose too.
And I am not giving up image either (which isn't a photo of me, but of a character in a videogame).
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Hilde Granlund wrote:
Wold YOU hire a translator like that? 
I hire translators for their academic records or for their experience, but I would NEVER prejudge someone for his or her photo.
In fact, I hired really crazy translators during my life, and the only thing that I want is that they do their job. As long as they do it, who cares what image they use, or what religion they believe in, or what country they live in, or their sexual preferences.
We start with a picture and we end up with a totalitarian regime.
Roy
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Rodrigo Mencía wrote:
Hilde Granlund wrote:
Wold YOU hire a translator like that?
I hire translators for their academic records or for their experience, but I would NEVER prejudge someone for his or her photo.
In fact, I hired really crazy translators during my life, and the only thing that I want is that they do their job. As long as they do it, who cares what image they use, or what religion they believe in, or what country they live in, or their sexual preferences.
We start with a picture and we end up with a totalitarian regime.
Roy
of course, as I tried to indicate by the smiley.
I thought it was a weird choice of avatar, and if I were out to hire someone, I might be afraid that something i said might cause someone with a suicidal avatar to jump out the window...
I also understand why some people find it offensive, so even if I think you are absolutely right that what matters is how people do their jobs, all of us judge others for all sorts of strange reasons - every day.
I think this animation is funny in the right sort of context, but I would certainly not use it to represent me in a public place like proz. com.
But that's just me. I prefer my boring old face
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Can anyone send me a link to the gore grind avatar, we're discussing, through proz messaging?
please=)
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| it is not a modeling agency, but not a zoo / kids' show either | Sep 4, 2007 |
I believe it would actually be better to have on proz a photo of a human instead of the humans' beloved pets or catoon characters.
If this site claims to be professional it has to reflect more on the profession which includes images and logos.
And on censorship: it existed and exists anyway - virtually any rule, regulation, law means a certain degree of censorship - so reading current ProZ rules one may find a number of restrictions, why no one mentioned Orwell there...![]() ... See more I believe it would actually be better to have on proz a photo of a human instead of the humans' beloved pets or catoon characters.
If this site claims to be professional it has to reflect more on the profession which includes images and logos.
And on censorship: it existed and exists anyway - virtually any rule, regulation, law means a certain degree of censorship - so reading current ProZ rules one may find a number of restrictions, why no one mentioned Orwell there... ))
And, i'd love to see any professional site (not professional cartoonists but lawyers', doctors', alike where they would use pictures of their pets instead of their own photos)
nordiste wrote:
IreneN wrote:
This is neither a dating service nor a modeling agency to impose the above restrictions.
I totally agree with Irene. Every translator should be free to offer the image of their choice - or no image at all - it's no criterion for being featured.
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| | | | | Grey area of do's and dont's | Sep 4, 2007 |
Vladimir Dubisskiy wrote:
I believe it would actually be better to have on proz a photo of a human instead of the humans' beloved pets or catoon characters.
If this site claims to be professional it has to reflect more on the profession which includes images and logos.
And on censorship: it existed and exists anyway - virtually any rule, regulation, law means a certain degree of censorship - so reading current ProZ rules one may find a number of restrictions, why no one mentioned Orwell there... ))
And, i'd love to see any professional site (not professional cartoonists but lawyers', doctors', alike where they would use pictures of their pets instead of their own photos )
Of course this is neither a modeling agency, nor a kids' show, but:
The rules you're talking about are very clear, e.g. against politics, racism and further basic principles. These points are easy to identify. But how do you want to convince a user (or even a member) that he/she is not allowed to put in this or that photo or logo or graphic? This would open up the doors for an enormous grey area between do's and dont's, and users/members would never be able to understand any clear rules, nor would ProZ.com staff have any time left for more important matters.
And when talking about allowed and not-allowed - maybe you want to suggest that we take the next step and simply decide to ban all users who doesn't want to use their real names (this topic has been discussed quite a few times already).
I think we should simply be more broad-minded and accept this or that profile photo or whatever, as long as none of the basic principles in the current ProZ rules are offended. Nobody can tell what's "wrong" or what's "right" because every translator has his/her own specialities, aiming at different clients.
| | | | | And it's not a real cat ! | Sep 4, 2007 |
gianfranco wrote:
... is clearly a tomcat, no doubt
I actually meant pics of some actual domesticated feline, not a cartoon
(I would also concede that my gross generalisation may only apply to UK !)
| | | | Irene N
United States
Local time: 00:18
English to Russian
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I've just finished my night shift so I'm a bit grumpier than before...
What is the point of this discussion? Does my cat take a job from someone by not looking as a professional translator? How come I get plenty of direct offers and even more visitors examining my Q/A section but apparently getting repelled by my rates, which are barely decent by my own standards yet considered sky-high in today's Ru market? How come I set my availability in bright red whenever I want to and still m... See more I've just finished my night shift so I'm a bit grumpier than before...
What is the point of this discussion? Does my cat take a job from someone by not looking as a professional translator? How come I get plenty of direct offers and even more visitors examining my Q/A section but apparently getting repelled by my rates, which are barely decent by my own standards yet considered sky-high in today's Ru market? How come I set my availability in bright red whenever I want to and still make my living?
I believe Proz has other areas desperate for improved professionalism and better image, such as those same rates and Q/As. Were I the outsourcer, I'd be thinking in that direction. Apparently those who get seriousely interested in my services believe the same.
If you think that my own professionalism will be doubted - good for you, one competitor less. If you think that the site professionalism could be doubted, let me put it straight - my cat's contribution to that doubt is negligeable, trust me.
Nicks, graphics etc. are the intergal part of the Internet culture and Internet freedom. I'm not selling my face here, period. I'm not implying that anyone does - I respect your choice, but the subject proper is... unworthy, really.
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IreneN wrote:
What is the point of this discussion? Does my cat take a job from someone by not looking as a professional translator?
Hi Irene,
I would gladly let your cat "steal" a job from me, really
Maybe some people will find it strange, but I'm collecting pictures of cats from ProZ.com and by now I've reached almost 30... I know there are more.
I agree that the "cartoon" which started this topic looks rather disgusting, but I take it as a caricature/parody, and nothing more. I see no reason for applying any kind of censorship in such cases.
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Netherlands
Local time: 07:18
| Much ado about nothing | Sep 4, 2007 |
I know the person you're talking about. She is one of the most talented, skilled, gifted, intelligent translators I've ever met. She's the kindest, funniest, loveliest lady whose friendship I have the honour and the luck to enjoy.
I remember that last year there was an advertisement right here on ProZ.com, with the exactly same logo, though I don't remember anyone finding it disturbing.
It is in fact very funny, if one has sense of humour, of course.
And for goodn... See more I know the person you're talking about. She is one of the most talented, skilled, gifted, intelligent translators I've ever met. She's the kindest, funniest, loveliest lady whose friendship I have the honour and the luck to enjoy.
I remember that last year there was an advertisement right here on ProZ.com, with the exactly same logo, though I don't remember anyone finding it disturbing.
It is in fact very funny, if one has sense of humour, of course.
And for goodness sake, please stop once and for all the crusade against the avatars showing animals, kids, mermaids, brides, cartoons, and the one against the nicknames. I'm sick and tired with both of them and I presume I'm not the only one.
People I've met through this site and whom I've worked with, have always showed me trust and respect, though they didn't know my real name when they first contacted me and couldn't see my face. They are satisfied with my work.
Believe it or not, this is a creative profession. Let us express ourselves the way we like best. Don't waste your precious time opening threads like this one, though it's easier and safer than discussing rates in Argentina and in the rest of the world, isn't it?
IreneN, I totally agree with you and I love your cat. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Williamson 
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:18
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Somewhere I have a .gif editor. If I only knew how to alternate the symbol of the dolphin with my face then this discussion would become futile.
B.t.w, that dolphin also features on my name-card, stationary, invoices. If an invoice can not be found among a stack of invoices, I only have to mention "the invoice with the dolphin" to refresh the memory of its recipient.
As for mentioning the real name, wouldn't it be possible to let both appear alternately, so that if you do business as... See more Somewhere I have a .gif editor. If I only knew how to alternate the symbol of the dolphin with my face then this discussion would become futile.
B.t.w, that dolphin also features on my name-card, stationary, invoices. If an invoice can not be found among a stack of invoices, I only have to mention "the invoice with the dolphin" to refresh the memory of its recipient.
As for mentioning the real name, wouldn't it be possible to let both appear alternately, so that if you do business as a registered company, both the company's name and the name of the person behind the name appear.
"Virgin" and the "face of Sir Richard Branson" go together well. Both are means of branding.
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| | | | Irene N
United States
Local time: 00:18
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| The invoice with the dolphin | Sep 4, 2007 |
Williamson wrote:
"the invoice with the dolphin" to refresh the memory of its recipient.
And I bet you never lost a client for having that lovely dolphin as your logo, am I right?
As many other users have pointed out, there are many other important things to improve. Apart from that, in today's market we've just began to forget about wearing a tie and a suit, which is really good, so we can concentrate in our work, not in how we look like.
I think each Proz user is unique, and the avatar photo makes a big part of that diferentiation. I still don't see the problem in using the avatar of that armless lad hitting his face against the keyboard. In fact, it makes me think that such person is a real hard-worker... in a funny way. And for me, humour is all in life.
Smile while you can! You never know when you will start hitting your hands, arms and face against the keyboard.
| | | | | I think there's no point... | Sep 4, 2007 |
Rodrigo Mencía wrote:
And I bet you never lost a client for having that lovely dolphin as your logo, am I right?
Maybe true, but if Williamson did, what then? He may also have found some because of that (by the way Williamson, and only if I may, why the dolphin?).
As said before and in several posts, you can as well be finding or losing clients with the same nice/ugly picture. It depends on what the client is looking for.
And not everybody is interested in finding a job on ProZ: many use it for the forums or KudoZ only.
I personally don't like the one of the "bloody" typist, because everyone has a different sense of humor, and that's not my kind, but that's it. It's the translator's right to advertise herself that way.
As for the site, I don't feel it makes it more or less serious: outsourcers wouldn't be posting jobs anymore if it was the case.
So personally, as long as it's not one of the big no-no's (racism and others I don't even want or need to mention), it's fine with me.
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sofiablu wrote:
I know the person you're talking about. She is one of the most talented, skilled, gifted, intelligent translators I've ever met. She's the kindest, funniest, loveliest lady whose friendship I have the honour and the luck to enjoy.
I remember that last year there was an advertisement right here on ProZ.com, with the exactly same logo, though I don't remember anyone finding it disturbing.
It is in fact very funny, if one has sense of humour, of course.
And for goodness sake, please stop once and for all the crusade against the avatars showing animals, kids, mermaids, brides, cartoons, and the one against the nicknames. I'm sick and tired with both of them and I presume I'm not the only one.
People I've met through this site and whom I've worked with, have always showed me trust and respect, though they didn't know my real name when they first contacted me and couldn't see my face. They are satisfied with my work.
Believe it or not, this is a creative profession. Let us express ourselves the way we like best. Don't waste your precious time opening threads like this one, though it's easier and safer than discussing rates in Argentina and in the rest of the world, isn't it?
IreneN, I totally agree with you and I love your cat.
I totally agree with Sofiablu. I know the person whose animated profile image has shocked and disturbed some of you and she is one of the most hard-working persons I have ever met, she constantly works her fingers and mind to the bone, she is a great professional with a fantastic sense of humor. It's beacause she has such a corky sense of humor that she put that animated gif not to scare people.
Plu, we are all grown up people, not easily scared kids, come on, lighten up. There were much worse photos in the profiles in the past and no one ever said anything.
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