Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
historic blame cultures
French translation:
La culture du "C'est pas moi, c'est l'autre."
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English term
historic blame cultures
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Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Building relationships can be hard work and there is a danger that any teething problems met on the way will immediately bring back historic blame cultures, barriers will spring up and trust will be lost.
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le souvenir des injustices historiques
Une suggestion.
Pourquoi ne pas parler simplement du reveil des souvenirs (douleureux, tenaces...) d'injustices historiques?
Injustices historiques et réévaluation - Forum Chine Nouvelle
**Le souvenir tenace des injustices historiques** en Chine: une analyse des demandes de "réévaluation". EVA PILS Perspectives chinoises n° 101, 2007/4, ...
http://www.chine-nouvelle.com/forum/read.html?q=6,30733
Lituanie : imaginaire national et vie politique - REGARD SUR L'EST
1 mar 2008 ... Dans ce nouveau contexte, les anciens discours centrés autour de l'idée de Nation organique et **d’injustices historiques** deviennent ...
http://www.regard-est.com/home/breve_contenu.php?id=820
Colloque international, Le devoir de mémoire et les politiques du ...
**L’injustice historique** subie par certains groupes ou minorités concerne tout autant leur domination économique que leur domination culturelle. ...
http://www.criec.uqam.ca/colloquememoire/fr/presentation.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
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Si ce n'est pas l'interprétation ( le contexte est un peu court), si au contraire il s'agit ici de vouloir faire porter le chapeau à d'autres (voir extrait), on pourrait dire:
La culture du "C'est pas moi, c'est l'autre."
DOM/PRESS The Blame Culture, 17 August 2004
'Most of us are familiar with the “we want answers” cry from those who have suffered misfortune. These days, trying to hold someone else accountable for things that go wrong is a common phenomenon everywhere in the world, as a recent article in the International Herald Tribune showed. A British spokesman for Norwich Union Insurance is reported as saying “there is something going on in society which is really eating away at personal responsibility. If anything happens to you in life, someone else has to take the blame”. The Blame Culture also flourishes in Europe and the US. It’s not just over medical misadventure, where the British National Health Service currently faces claims totalling NZ$15 billion whereas 30 years ago they amounted to NZ$2.8 million. Some people manufacture claims. Britain is awash with frivolous lawsuits. David Beckham on a salary from Real Madrid of 5.5 million Euros per annum recently blamed the club for not training him well enough before the European Cup soccer tournament. A student at the University of Kent who was caught plagiarising admitted he’d done it for years and blamed his teacher for not catching him sooner. That was a genuinely creative piece of blame transference...
...It’s when lawyers, judges and politicians get involved and are required to exercise historical judgement that the thicket becomes dense. Not enough history is taught in our schools. The professions undervalue it. Few understand the way in which conventional wisdom and standards of conduct, as well as expectations, change over time. Instead, people want to judge the past by today’s standards that are the only ones they know. Good historians call it “presentism”.'
http://www.michaelbassett.co.nz/articleview.php?id=79
C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre…
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C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre… Que l’on soit conseiller technique dans une mission ... l’Intégration : « toute action ou attitude qui conduit, à situation de ...
http://www.copas.coop/document/36.pdf - Similar pages
Presse Coaching - Coach'in News - 02/07 … Etre Responsable ...
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**C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre !** » Ou comment reconsidérer ce qui dépend de nous .... Cela est de loin préférable à l’attitude consistant à refaire ...
http://www.hexalto.com/?p=164 - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
Familles-ge.ch
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Comment gérer **le c’est pas moi, c’est l’autre** ? ... d'agir dans l'ordre du symbolique (ne pas sanctionner leur attitude serait donner raison au coupable). ...
http://www.familles-ge.ch/faq.php?no=06&sit=03&faqId=230 - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
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Commentaire sur le commentaire: il faut lire "l'interprétation qui convient,"...
Pourquoi ne pas parler simplement du reveil des souvenirs (douleureux, tenaces...) d'injustices historiques?
Injustices historiques et réévaluation - Forum Chine Nouvelle
**Le souvenir tenace des injustices historiques** en Chine: une analyse des demandes de "réévaluation". EVA PILS Perspectives chinoises n° 101, 2007/4, ...
http://www.chine-nouvelle.com/forum/read.html?q=6,30733
Lituanie : imaginaire national et vie politique - REGARD SUR L'EST
1 mar 2008 ... Dans ce nouveau contexte, les anciens discours centrés autour de l'idée de Nation organique et **d’injustices historiques** deviennent ...
http://www.regard-est.com/home/breve_contenu.php?id=820
Colloque international, Le devoir de mémoire et les politiques du ...
**L’injustice historique** subie par certains groupes ou minorités concerne tout autant leur domination économique que leur domination culturelle. ...
http://www.criec.uqam.ca/colloquememoire/fr/presentation.htm - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
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Note added at 21 hrs (2008-07-27 19:17:53 GMT)
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Si ce n'est pas l'interprétation ( le contexte est un peu court), si au contraire il s'agit ici de vouloir faire porter le chapeau à d'autres (voir extrait), on pourrait dire:
La culture du "C'est pas moi, c'est l'autre."
DOM/PRESS The Blame Culture, 17 August 2004
'Most of us are familiar with the “we want answers” cry from those who have suffered misfortune. These days, trying to hold someone else accountable for things that go wrong is a common phenomenon everywhere in the world, as a recent article in the International Herald Tribune showed. A British spokesman for Norwich Union Insurance is reported as saying “there is something going on in society which is really eating away at personal responsibility. If anything happens to you in life, someone else has to take the blame”. The Blame Culture also flourishes in Europe and the US. It’s not just over medical misadventure, where the British National Health Service currently faces claims totalling NZ$15 billion whereas 30 years ago they amounted to NZ$2.8 million. Some people manufacture claims. Britain is awash with frivolous lawsuits. David Beckham on a salary from Real Madrid of 5.5 million Euros per annum recently blamed the club for not training him well enough before the European Cup soccer tournament. A student at the University of Kent who was caught plagiarising admitted he’d done it for years and blamed his teacher for not catching him sooner. That was a genuinely creative piece of blame transference...
...It’s when lawyers, judges and politicians get involved and are required to exercise historical judgement that the thicket becomes dense. Not enough history is taught in our schools. The professions undervalue it. Few understand the way in which conventional wisdom and standards of conduct, as well as expectations, change over time. Instead, people want to judge the past by today’s standards that are the only ones they know. Good historians call it “presentism”.'
http://www.michaelbassett.co.nz/articleview.php?id=79
C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre…
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre… Que l’on soit conseiller technique dans une mission ... l’Intégration : « toute action ou attitude qui conduit, à situation de ...
http://www.copas.coop/document/36.pdf - Similar pages
Presse Coaching - Coach'in News - 02/07 … Etre Responsable ...
- [ Translate this page ]
**C’est pas moi, c’est l’autre !** » Ou comment reconsidérer ce qui dépend de nous .... Cela est de loin préférable à l’attitude consistant à refaire ...
http://www.hexalto.com/?p=164 - 27k - Cached - Similar pages
Familles-ge.ch
- [ Translate this page ]
Comment gérer **le c’est pas moi, c’est l’autre** ? ... d'agir dans l'ordre du symbolique (ne pas sanctionner leur attitude serait donner raison au coupable). ...
http://www.familles-ge.ch/faq.php?no=06&sit=03&faqId=230 - 16k - Cached - Similar pages
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Commentaire sur le commentaire: il faut lire "l'interprétation qui convient,"...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "j'aime bien l'idée. c'est en effet plus au niveau de tension entre personnes puisqu'on est dans un contexte de tisser des liens entre les organisations, établir des relations avec les personnes d'une autre organisation"
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
Spain
Spain
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Native in: Spanish 
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Spanish
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des attitudes culturelles de culpabilisation historique
Bonne chance!
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cultures de blâme historique
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... ou du reproche historique ...
... ou de la faute "à" l'histoire
... ou de la faute historique ...
Cette dernière formulation est couramment utilisée :
http://www.tribunes.com/tribune/edito/6-5f.htm
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... ou du reproche historique ...
... ou de la faute "à" l'histoire
... ou de la faute historique ...
Cette dernière formulation est couramment utilisée :
http://www.tribunes.com/tribune/edito/6-5f.htm
Note from asker:
| l'idée générale est que cela fera ressurgir des conflits entre des personnes/des organisations ... a se demander si blame est bien approprié ici.. mais a moins d'une meilleure proposion je vais partir la dessus. |
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Sophie Roger
: Oui. Ou une politique de blâme historique.
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Merci Sophie !
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cenek tomas
: A mon avis,ça ne passe pas en français, mais ça n' est pas facile!
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Merci Cenek ! C'est vrai que ça ne coule pas ...
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Juliette Scott
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
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Works in field
United Kingdom
Over 20 years of satisfied clients
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, Italian to English
culture de culpabilisation (déjà existant dans le passé)
David I'm not sure if the culture de culpabilisation refers to blame about history or rather that that kind of culture existed previously. From the context maybe it will be clear to you.
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