Mac OS 10.13 not supported by browsers Thread poster: MollyRose
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MollyRose 
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A message from Firefox appeared saying that the version I'm using is no longer supported, and I should download the Extended Support Release (ESR), which should work until March, 2025, since I can't use any other updates with High Sierra (10.13).
Tonight I was clicking on some links in emails to read the info they were mentioning, but the sites never loaded. They all were giving the same error code. (I can't find it now to tell you what it is.) The same thing happened when I tried ... See more A message from Firefox appeared saying that the version I'm using is no longer supported, and I should download the Extended Support Release (ESR), which should work until March, 2025, since I can't use any other updates with High Sierra (10.13).
Tonight I was clicking on some links in emails to read the info they were mentioning, but the sites never loaded. They all were giving the same error code. (I can't find it now to tell you what it is.) The same thing happened when I tried to download the ESR.
I then tried to download Duckduckgo's browser, but it requires at least a 10.14 OS.
I have noticed that some websites don't work on Safari. The version of Safari matches the OS.
I don't want to use Google or Chrome.
How can I continue to use the internet without having to buy an updated computer? I don't think it's fair to have to buy another computer since the one I have works just fine, and they are expensive. What are your suggestions? ▲ Collapse
| | | | Zea_Mays
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Have you tried updating the operating system? Very often, most older machines will allow you to do this up to a certain operating system.
In a Reddit thread, Pale Moon is mentioned as a browser that still supports High Sierra. https://www.palemoon.org/ (Never heard of it, it seems to be a project started a... See more Have you tried updating the operating system? Very often, most older machines will allow you to do this up to a certain operating system.
In a Reddit thread, Pale Moon is mentioned as a browser that still supports High Sierra. https://www.palemoon.org/ (Never heard of it, it seems to be a project started as a parallel project to Firefox.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Moon ▲ Collapse
| | | | | | Mario Chávez
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I have two MacBook Pro laptops, one (2012) running High Sierra and another (2015) running Monterrey. I recently decommissioned a mid-2011 iMac running High Sierra and a mid-2012 Mac Pro running High Sierra as well.
Chrome had already shown signs of reduced functionality in the iMac and slightly impacted functionality in the Mac Pro. To me, the reasons are simple: the older the hardware and the macOS, the more difficult it is for modern browsers to run as intended. I did try Opera, F... See more I have two MacBook Pro laptops, one (2012) running High Sierra and another (2015) running Monterrey. I recently decommissioned a mid-2011 iMac running High Sierra and a mid-2012 Mac Pro running High Sierra as well.
Chrome had already shown signs of reduced functionality in the iMac and slightly impacted functionality in the Mac Pro. To me, the reasons are simple: the older the hardware and the macOS, the more difficult it is for modern browsers to run as intended. I did try Opera, Firefox and another one (can't remember the name) on the iMac: incompatibles with the installed macOS.
I'd start shopping for a later model Mac if I were you. Lots of good Macs waiting for a new home out there. ▲ Collapse
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MollyRose
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TOPIC STARTER | I should have said ... | Jan 4 |
... my Mac mini (late 2012) can't go any higher than 10.14. But the browser websites say the OS needs to be higher than 10.14.
[Edited at 2025-01-04 18:54 GMT]
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Did you try Brave?
The last supported version for macOS High Sierra is 1.57.64.
| | | | | | Mario Chávez
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| Never heard of Brave until now | Jan 5 |
Since I never used Brave the browser, I can't say anything about it except the following:
1) Any new browser will require plugins similar to the ones you've been using with Edge, Chrome or Firefox.
2) Any new browser will likely require signing in and syncing across other instances of the same browser installed on other computers.
3) No browser is infallible or immune to cyberattacks. You'll have to compare the old Chrome browser's security features and protections acro... See more Since I never used Brave the browser, I can't say anything about it except the following:
1) Any new browser will require plugins similar to the ones you've been using with Edge, Chrome or Firefox.
2) Any new browser will likely require signing in and syncing across other instances of the same browser installed on other computers.
3) No browser is infallible or immune to cyberattacks. You'll have to compare the old Chrome browser's security features and protections across the board against other browsers.
4) Some mainstream applications may only work with mainstream browsers.
5) If you do online banking/investing, chances are your banks will only work with mainstream browsers like Edge, Chrome or Firefox.
6) Some CAT applications use mainstream browsers to enable certain features, which may appear broken if you use a little-known browser.
Browsers have long become a separate environment, more like an operating system nested in whatever operating system you're running now. More and more applications are browser-dependent.
Hans Lenting wrote:
Did you try Brave?
The last supported version for macOS High Sierra is 1.57.64. ▲ Collapse
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MollyRose
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They say Pale Moon for Mac isn't "official," yet they offer it on their website! I started using it and will see how that works. So far, so good, but I haven't tried it on everything yet. I will keep your suggestions and try them if P.M. doesn't work well enough.
The Linux thing sounds interesting and probably most promising. However, I'm a computer "user," not "programmer," so I don't know if it would be too complicated for me to set up, etc.
| | | | Novian Cahyadi
Indonesia
Local time: 10:11
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| My Comment as a Full-time Linux User | Jan 6 |
MollyRose wrote:
The Linux thing sounds interesting and probably most promising. However, I'm a computer “user,” not “programmer,” so I don't know if it would be too complicated for me to set up, etc.
I use Linux like how a sysadmin would, but it doesn't have to be that way. You can use Linux entirely from the graphical interface if you so choose. That said, the downside would be your CAT tools selection. To my knowledge, there's no way to run Trados and memoQ on a Linux host. If you don't want having to resort to a virtual machine to run them, the top CAT software alternatives for Linux are CafeTran Espresso, OmegaT, and Swordfish Translation Editor.
On the other hand, you can use macOS the “programmer way.” I believe there's a terminal app on the stock macOS. Without getting into nerdy details, most of the basic Linux commands also work on macOS, since they are cousins. MacOS isn't as limited as some people made it out to be.
@Mario Chávez
Brave is basically Chrome under a different skin. If you check its user agent, it says Chrome.
And no, it's not required to log into anything and sync across devices in modern web browsers. I certainly never had to do those in Firefox and Brave.
[Edited at 2025-01-06 09:21 GMT]
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Novian Cahyadi wrote:
To my knowledge, there's no way to run Trados and memoQ on a Linux host. If you don't want having to resort to a virtual machine to run them, the top CAT software alternatives for Linux are CafeTran Espresso, OmegaT, and Swordfish Translation Editor.
CafeTran Espresso is a very good choice, and if memory serves, MollyRose already has hands-on experience with this great tool. However, a lot of new features have been added since she last used this power tool.
Any Linux will come with its own, modern web browser.
By the way: I still have an old white MacBook with High Sierra, 8 GB RAM and a retrofitted SSD. I'm planning to install Linux on it, as a hobby project and to get some hands-on experience with Linux.
[Edited at 2025-01-06 10:02 GMT]
| | | | MollyRose
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TOPIC STARTER | CafeTran, Pale Moon | Jan 7 |
Wow, Hans! You have quite a memory! Yes, I did get CafeTran a long time ago and used it a little bit. Then I purchased an updated version several years ago but haven't used it much yet, since I don't have time to do a lot of freelance work. I hope to do so when I'm able to retire from my regular job.
I remember the biggest thing that impressed me when I started using it was: when you select something from the source, as soon as you let go of the mouse button, it pastes it in the t... See more Wow, Hans! You have quite a memory! Yes, I did get CafeTran a long time ago and used it a little bit. Then I purchased an updated version several years ago but haven't used it much yet, since I don't have time to do a lot of freelance work. I hope to do so when I'm able to retire from my regular job.
I remember the biggest thing that impressed me when I started using it was: when you select something from the source, as soon as you let go of the mouse button, it pastes it in the target! That saves quite a bit of steps and time. I really like that.
As for Pale Moon, whenever I close it ("Quit Pale Moon" from the menu), it gives a message saying that it closed unexpectedly. Tonight when I opened it, it gave a message (the program not working because one or more websites was causing a problem--not these words, but basically this meaning). I had to restore or delete each one. At least it had them listed and I was able to restore them all with one click. Proz was one of them, in case you were wondering. ▲ Collapse
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MollyRose wrote:
I remember the biggest thing that impressed me when I started using it was: when you select something from the source, as soon as you let go of the mouse button, it pastes it in the target! That saves quite a bit of steps and time. I really like that.
You can indeed drag over any resource (glossary, TM, web resource, grid etc.) and the result will be inserted into the target segment editor.
To copy from the source segment editor to the target segment editor you have to select text in the source segment editor and then click the ⇩arrow.
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[Edited at 2025-01-07 08:11 GMT]
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