Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Realität eigener Gesetzlichkeit

English translation:

[should respond to the] inherent laws/properties of its own medium

Added to glossary by Helen Shiner
Apr 16, 2009 19:22
15 yrs ago
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German term

Realität eigener Gesetzlichkeit

German to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
This is from a monograph about an Austrian artist; the phrase in question appears within a section where he is discussing his techniques & methods. I'm experiencing a little brainblock in coming up with a nice artsy way of putting the sentence and any suggestions would be gladly appreciated.

Here's the context it appears within:

"Ein Bild soll stets Realität eigener Gesetzlichkeit sein. Nicht das real Dargestellte ist wichtig, sondern die ,Komposition’, das heißt die Gegenüberstellung von Flächen, Linien und Farben."

Thank you!
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Apr 17, 2009 08:29: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry

Discussion

Julie Draper-Duruz (asker) Apr 17, 2009:
Thank you! Many thanks to everyone who contributed their input on this!
Helen Shiner Apr 16, 2009:
Bernhard Yes, this is the route to abstraction, so subject matter becomes far less important or has no importance for the artist. But I would say that those properties are the laws, if you see the term 'properties' in a scientific light. So that the resultant image can only or should only reflect the sole properties open to the medium - should use line, colour, etc. but presumably not attempt perspective (which takes it into the realm of 3-D) - i.e. in general should stay true to the medium.
Bernhard Sulzer Apr 16, 2009:
rules and composition In your context, I read this as how the artist uses the medium's properties (lines, colors, surfaces, etc.) to develop a(n underlying) framework of form used to express what is actually shown. The underlying properties if you will are what is more important for the composition/artwork than what is actually shown. He/she does not follow inherent laws, but uses the medium's inherent properties in a specific way (and thus the painting expresses its own underlying reality/rules - different from the "shown" reality) that he/she chooses.
Helen Shiner Apr 16, 2009:
Modernism As I expect you know, Julie, this is a statement central to the fundamentals of Modernism. It means that the image must first respond to the inherent rules of its own medium. So if it is a 2-D image, it will inevitably refer to its own frame, the flatness of the surface, its own 2-dimensionality. To do anything else is to lie, to be inauthentic. I must admit I have never seen it expressed in quite this way - it does make it awkward for the translator. I think I might say something like - it should always respond to the inherent laws of its medium. I know that does away with 'reality' and adds 'responds', but it is far more comprehensible expressed in that way. And would be far more familiar to an intelligent readership, at whom I presume the text is aimed.

Proposed translations

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[should respond to the] inherent laws/properties of its own medium

For my explanation, please see the discussion area.

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Note added at 12 hrs (2009-04-17 08:09:56 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, Julie - glad to help.
Peer comment(s):

agree Stephen Reader
38 mins
Thanks, Stephen
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Hi Helen, thank you so much for your helpful suggestion; this works perfectly within the context of my translation. Have a wonderful day! Best, Julie"
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a reality in its own right

A painting should always be [create] a reality in its own right.

See http://shortify.com/8809
Peer comment(s):

disagree Helen Shiner : Sorry to disagree, but this really is not what is meant.
58 mins
Thank you for enlightening me - good input in your answer.
agree Stephen Reader : Agree but NB with the qualification following, 'i.e. a consequence/product of / one that arises out of... '
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Yes, you are right.
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reality of its own rule(s)

"Ein Bild soll stets Realität eigener Gesetzlichkeit sein. Nicht das real Dargestellte ist wichtig, sondern die ,Komposition’, das heißt die Gegenüberstellung von Flächen, Linien und Farben."

A portait/painting should always express/follow (the reality) of its own rule(s).
Important is not what is actually shown but the 'composition', i.e. the juxtaposition of surfaces, lines, and colors.

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Note added at 26 mins (2009-04-16 19:49:09 GMT)
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or:
...should express its own reality.

corr.: a portrait/painting should always express/follow (the reality of) its own rule(s).
Peer comment(s):

neutral Helen Shiner : Agree that we have to move away from 'to be' in order to make sense of this, but I think we also have to replace 'reality' with some reference to inherent properties.
55 mins
thanks for the discussion.
agree Stephen Reader : Rephrase, & why not 'be' - ... should always be a reality that arises /a reality generated out of its own laws.
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thank you, Stephen!
agree Inge Meinzer
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vielen Dank, Inge!
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'(should) manifest its own inherent logic'

Following Hellen's suggestions, this might be an alternative...
Peer comment(s):

agree Stephen Reader : Again, with the author's own proviso/qualific'n, as, without, we could be talking Surrealism
49 mins
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